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Friday, November 18, 2011


Hi Brett!

I've seen a fair number of news reports of the assembling but not always being so "peaceable".

I googled and found this web post with a list of links to articles about various incidents and problems.


Scroll down for the list of links.

I'd totally support their right to peaceably assemble and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I'm not sure in a lot of these cases that is what they're doing. If they're creating hazards, hurling molotov cocktails, destroying private and public property, or creating a nuisance by occupying bridges, then the cops need to do their jobs and enforce the law. No?

Rights are not absolute. Yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater will get you arrested and claiming that your rights are being violated will not be taken seriously.

There is quite a bit of jurisprudence regarding 1st amendment time, place, and manner regulations. See http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/timeplacemanner.htm for a discussion.

With respect to the #OWS protests, most of the problems have arisen due to the 'occupy' concept. Insisting on camping out overnight or occupying public spaces 24x7 for *months* is what has caused the legal problems--not the content of the protest.

Some of the groups have decided to occupy intersections, bridges, roads, and in Oakland a port depriving the public of free passage, access to their workplace, and creating serious public safety issues.

@@@I've certainly thought about this, but I think one needs to distinguish the secularized Christian *moral* strain in progressive politics from a leftist politics based in class consciousness. Don't wait to have a lot, to share a bit.Because you don't know how long it will take.

I'm talking only about the peaceable demonstrations.

As a veteran, when I see protestors, I flash back to the 1st Gulf War, Operation Desert Shield/Storm, and all the idiots protesting against us in uniform.

There's no way I'd ever stand up and support a bunch of freeloading, lazy, no working hippies. And that's just what the OWS people look like to me: a bunch of modern, free-love, pill poppin' hippies that need to take a bath and get a job.

But that's just my $.02

The question here is not "what" they are protesting about, but their "right" to do so.

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