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Friday, November 18, 2011

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Hi Brett!

I've seen a fair number of news reports of the assembling but not always being so "peaceable".

I googled and found this web post with a list of links to articles about various incidents and problems.

http://bigjournalism.com/jjmnolte/2011/10/28/occupywallstreet-the-rap-sheet-so-far/

Scroll down for the list of links.

I'd totally support their right to peaceably assemble and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I'm not sure in a lot of these cases that is what they're doing. If they're creating hazards, hurling molotov cocktails, destroying private and public property, or creating a nuisance by occupying bridges, then the cops need to do their jobs and enforce the law. No?

Rights are not absolute. Yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater will get you arrested and claiming that your rights are being violated will not be taken seriously.

There is quite a bit of jurisprudence regarding 1st amendment time, place, and manner regulations. See http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/timeplacemanner.htm for a discussion.

With respect to the #OWS protests, most of the problems have arisen due to the 'occupy' concept. Insisting on camping out overnight or occupying public spaces 24x7 for *months* is what has caused the legal problems--not the content of the protest.

Some of the groups have decided to occupy intersections, bridges, roads, and in Oakland a port depriving the public of free passage, access to their workplace, and creating serious public safety issues.

@@@I've certainly thought about this, but I think one needs to distinguish the secularized Christian *moral* strain in progressive politics from a leftist politics based in class consciousness. Don't wait to have a lot, to share a bit.Because you don't know how long it will take.

I'm talking only about the peaceable demonstrations.

As a veteran, when I see protestors, I flash back to the 1st Gulf War, Operation Desert Shield/Storm, and all the idiots protesting against us in uniform.

There's no way I'd ever stand up and support a bunch of freeloading, lazy, no working hippies. And that's just what the OWS people look like to me: a bunch of modern, free-love, pill poppin' hippies that need to take a bath and get a job.

But that's just my $.02

The question here is not "what" they are protesting about, but their "right" to do so.

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